Our dear brother Frederick Winter killed in action 13th October 1915

This family headstone is to be found in Norwich Cemetery.

In Ever Loving Memory
of our darling
MAY HARRIET.
The beloved daughter of
CHARLES & HARRIET COGMAN,
who entered into rest 30TH Sept.1930,
aged 23 years.

With patience great she bore her pain,
God suffered her to die.
But the hearts that wish her back again,
Will meet her bye and bye.

Also in loving memory of our dear mother
HARRIET WINTER
died 5th Feby. 1918 Aged 6? Years.

Also our dear brother
FREDERICK WINTER
killed in action 13th October 1915, aged 27 years.

At Rest.

That soldier on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission website appears to be:-

Private WINTER, FREDERICK
Service Number:…………. 9293
Died:……………………... 13/10/1915
Unit:……………………….7th Bn. Norfolk Regiment
Commemorated at LOOS MEMORIAL
Location: Pas de Calais, France
Source : www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/737599/winter,-freder...

Soldiers Died in the Great War records that Private 9293 Frederick Winter was Killed in Action on the 13th October 1915 while serving in France & Flanders with the 7th Battalion Norfolk Regiment.
He was born St James, Norwich and enlisted Norwich. No place of residence is shown.

The Medal Index Card for Private 9293 Frederick Winter, Norfolk Regiment, is held at the National Archive under reference WO 372/22/25895
Source: discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D5959023
He qualified for the 1915 Star, having first landed in France on the 30th May 1915. He also received the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. The associated service medal roll shows that he only served overseas with the 7th Battalion. There is no additional information on the card other than that he was Killed in Action on the 13.10.15.

His Service Records do not appear to have survived the incendiary attack during the Blitz on the Warehouse where all the Other Ranks Army Service Records were stored.

No match on Picture Norfolk, the County Image Archive.

No obvious Missing Persons enquiry received by the International Red Cross.

No obvious Soldiers Will or Civil Probate for this man. The Army Register of Soldiers Effects records that the balance of his pay went to his mother Harriet. However by the time it came to sort out his War Gratuity, the Register is noted that Harriet was deceased and that he has four sisters – Amelia, Emma, Sarah and Harriet. In September 1919 the whole sum, £4 10s, was paid to his sister Amelia Stewart.

1887 – Birth………………………

The birth of a Frederick William Winter was registered with the Civil Authorities in the Norwich District of Norfolk in the July to September quarter, (Q3), of 1887.
His mothers’ maiden name was Cousins.

The marriage of his parents was most likely the one that occurred on the 20th October 1879 at St James with Pockthorpe, Norwich. This was when a 37 year old bachelor, Henry Winter, a Shoemaker, and Harriet Cousens, a 33 year old spinster. Both were from “OTP” (‘Outside the Parish’). www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/58183aaee93790eb7f68b34...

1891 Census of England and Wales

There was initially no sign of Frederick on this census, but armed with the information from the 1901 and 1911 Census I was able to track him down. The 3 year old William Winter, born Norwich, was recorded living at Cavalry Street, Norwich. This was the household of his parents Henry, (aged 49, a Shoe Maker, born Norwich) and Harriet, (43, born Norwich). Their children living with them were:-
Henry….aged 22…..born Norwich….General Labourer
Amelia...aged 19…..born Norwich….Sugar Boiler
Emma….aged 15….born Norwich….Sugar Boiler
Sarah Ann..aged 13..born Norwich
Harriet….aged 10….born Norwich

1901 Census of England and Wales

The 14 year old Fred Winter, a Grocers Errand Boy born Norwich, was recorded living at 15 Cavalry Street, Norwich – an address in the St James with Pockthorpe parish. This was the household of his widowed mother Harriet, (aged 50 and born Norwich). Her other unmarried children living with her are:-
Amelia…..aged 24…born Norwich…Chocolate Maker
Emma……aged 23...born Norwich….Chocolate Maker
Sally……..aged 22…born Norwich…Silk Weaver
Harriet…..aged 20….born Norwich…Starch Cardbox maker

The marriage of a Charles Ernest Cogman to a Harriet Winter was recorded in the Norwich District in the October to December quarter, (Q4), of 1903. The birth of their daughter, May Harriet Cogman, was recorded in the Norwich District in the April to June quarter, (Q2), of 1907. Mothers’ maiden name was Winter.

Harriets’ sister, Amelia Winter, married a John Stewart in the Norwich District in the April to June quarter, (Q2), of 1903. As Amelia Stewart she would receive her brothers’ War Gratuity in 1919.

1911 Census of England and Wales

The 23 year old Frederick W Winter, a Shop Assistant working for his mother, was recorded in her household at 82 Mousehold Street, Norwich. Haariet, aged 61 and still a widow, was now recorded as a General Shopkeeper. Her unmarried daughter, Sarah A, (33) was also working in her mothers’ shop. Harriet states she has been married “40” years and has had 7 children, of which 6 were then still alive.

On the day…………………………………

Battalion War Diary

12th October 1915 Philosophe 5.30pm.

The Bn marched out of billets to take over line held by the Coldstream Guards in front of the QUARRIES. On the way up, we had the BN Sgt Major Tann wounded, 4 O R Machine Gun Section, Niers (could also be Mess or Their) Corporal and an orderly (Pte Clark) wounded.

13th October 1915

1.30 amRelief completed.

12 noonBombardment of the German line commenced. It was proposed to attack under cover of a smoke cloud which started at 1pm.

1.45pm. Intensive bombardment commenced + men of C+D companies got into position on their ladders. Our bombers starting bombing up from pt 78 + from Pt in C.T. at V in St ELIE AVENUE with the objective of making good the circle at 90 + continuing bombing up the two C.Ts AB + CB [attached map] + eventually meeting the bombers of the 5th R.BERKS at a pt E. At the same hour the bombers of 5th R.BERKS started bombing up from Pt 54 to Pt 46.

2pm.Attack was launched by 7th Norfolk Regt with the SUFFOLK Regt on our left + the 6th Buffs on our right. Unfortunately the smoke had cleared by this hours + our objective was clearly seen. [By some mistake the smoke cloud which was being produced by the Guards stopped at 1.40pm]. The enemy could be plainly seen manning their parapet, numbers estimated at 1 man per 1 ½ yds.

The greatest damage done was by a German M.G. in a sap at F which enfiladed the attack which according to the scheme should have been knocked out by our trench mortar which unfortunately did not appear to have been successful. This same mortar should have demolished the barricades at sap head in front of 54 + at G. This also was not successfully carried out + owing to this one squad was wiped out in getting through. About 50 men managed to gain a footing in the German trench on the left + took over 200x of trench. This they held with bombs till the supply failed, when they were forced to retire.

A Company reinforced but were unable to reach their objective. With this reinforcement went A + ½ B Coy of the R.BERKS who had come up in support. Our Bombers under 2Lieut H V Franklin managed to bomb up to Pt H where a barricade was erected. Also trench at I was blocked. “B” Coy who was in support according to the scheme endeavoured to follow up the BERKSHIRE bombers on the right but were impeded by the ??? (confusion?) in the trench + by these bombers not being able to make headway.

It was seen to be useless to send any further reinforcements over as they were mown down by the German M.G within the first 20 yards.

Our casualties in the attack were – Killed 66 – Wounded 196 – Missing 160 O.R.
Officers 3 Killed, One died of wounds + 7 wounded.

On 12th October 1915 the Battalion moved from billets to a line in front of the St Elie Quarries, taking over from the Coldstream Guards. The attack was planned to go ahead the following day under a smoke cloud with the Norfolks closing on the German trenches from both ends of their position thus straightening their line, their own trenches being in a semi-circle. The left side of the Battalion was also tasked with bombing a German communications trench. A bright sunny day with an ideal wind for moving the smoke towards the enemy positions, the artillery bombardment began at 12:00 and was intensive by 13:45. 54 heavy and 86 field howitzers and 286 field guns fired on enemy trenches in the area of the Hohenzollern Redoubt, Fosse 8, the Quarries, Gun Trench and the positions south to Chalk Pit Wood. It failed to cause sufficient damage to the enemy positions. The smoke barrage went wrong and ceased by 13:40, twenty minutes before the attack was launched at 14:00 and was thus very thin. German machine gun fire from in front and from the direction of Slag Alley, opposite the Norfolks right flank, enfiladed their attack. Whilst they gained a foothold in the Quarries and consolidated the position they were unable to advance further. In the battalions first serious engagement they lost 5 Officers killed or died of wounds and 6 wounded, and 66 other ranks killed, 196 wounded and 160 missing.
Source: 1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=42270

Postscript…………….

The death of a Harriet Winter, aged 68, was recorded in the Norwich District in the Janaury to March quarter, (Q1), of 1918.

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Taken on: July 17, 2017

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